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  1. Yabbies4me

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    How about organic too, if possible?... therefore enabling organic certification for AP growers!
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  2. RupertofOZ

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    Aquaponic systems will never be certified "organic" under current Australian rules...

    The rules even preclude hydroponics.... stipulating that only a "soil" medium can be used...
     
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    definition of soil:

    Soil is composed of particles of broken rock that have been altered by chemical and mechanical processes that include weathering and erosion

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil

    I'd have a go at arguing that aquaponics is organic. :D

    It really is only a matter of particle size.

    cheers Lou
     
  4. RupertofOZ

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    I agree totally Lou.... but try that arguement on those that oversee the "organic" standard...

    And you'll probably be escorted out of the room... with an "organic" pitchfork...
     
  5. Murray

    Murray Site Admin Staff Member

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    One item we have been discussing on the Aquaponics Association meetings is the formation of a "Aquaponicslly Grown" certification and promoting the concept that Aquaponically Grown" produce is truly organic .

    It would be assumed that Aquaponics is an ECO system and has an inbuilt policeman (the fish) This makes cheating (spraying chemicals at midnight) virtually impossible.That is in a traditional closed loop Aquaponics system. (not a Aquaculture system with some straight-through run-to-waste NFT hung off the end of the fish tanks)
    This factor is the intrinsic beauty of Aquaponics and is really the major factor that really excites those that are into food purity, and that is a really big part of why people start into AP.
    As we are all aware, organic certification is good, but so many "organic" farmers have been sprung spraying poisons at midnight when no one is looking. The desire for profit is very strong and a little cheating here and there is seen by many as justified.

    I firmly believe that this will be the greatest service we can deliver to members...the formation and marketing of our own "Aquaponically Grown Produce" certification. The value of this to the discerning consumer will be very great. We have a premium product that needs to have it's story told.
     
  6. RupertofOZ

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    Going to be just as hard to police though Murray...

    Lately there's been a growing number of peoples who are using, or contemplating using hydro nutrients in their systems...

    And then you've got all those that use aquaria based products... like "Prime", "Amquel"... Sodium Thiosulphate.. pH UP/Down...

    And where do things like Urea, Seasol/Maxicrop...hydrated lime etc... all fit in???
     
  7. Murray

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    The key is that AP is an ECO system,
    It is not some sort of Aquaculture, nor is it Hydroponics it is a unique discipline of it's own.

    Yes, I don't think for one minute it will be easy, but I believe it is very possible. It will take a good deal of the "coming together of minds" to come up with standards etc, but I think that most of us who have been doing it for a while could quickly piece together the necessary info to create a good standard.

    It would be a wonderful project.
     
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    OK so clearly (or not so clearly), I could be wrong...

    The Aquaponics association is interested in developing a "Certified aquaponically grown" standard not a "Certfied Organic aquaponically" grown standard, right?

    That being the case, there needs to be great lengths taken by the association to make it very very clear to Joe Bloggs public that this produce is not Certified Organic, rather it is a completely separate standard.

    Forgive me for bringing this up but I have too I'm sorry..Would this cost the grower a lot of money, if any to obtain this new standard tick of approval from the Aquaponics Association? Would it be like the tick for heart safe products (I forgot what wording) you see on the shops shelves where big cooperations can afford to pay a lot, and I mean a lot of money to the heart people(association, foundation or whatever) then receive a great big tick. and the little bloke can't afford to buy the tick so he is left out even though his product is as healthy or healthier than the big guys?

    Whoops off topic again....Sorry about that...Perhaps Murray if you want, you could do your normal housekeeping and put these comments under the Aquaponics association thread and delete this request (the last paragraph)?

    Cheers.
     
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  9. Murray

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    Jumping right ahead there BD, we are still working out the parameters for which we will be seeking a lot of input from the AP world as to just it might/will work.
    As for how it will be funded, have not even got there as yet, but open for suggestions.

    As to the "big" guys getting it and the "little" guys not. AP is a grass roots movement, there are no "big guys" and I suspect there never will be, and for that reason funding projects such as research and branding will always be a bit of a challenge I suspect.
    But there is power in numbers.
     
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    An ecosystem is a biological environment consisting of all the organisms living in a particular area, as well as all the nonliving (abiotic), physical components of the environment with which the organisms interact, such as air, soil, water and sunlight.

    According to the FAO, aquaculture "is understood to mean the farming of aquatic organisms including fish, molluscs, crustaceans and aquatic plants. Farming implies some form of intervention in the rearing process to enhance production, such as regular stocking, feeding, protection from predators, etc. Farming also implies individual or corporate ownership of the stock being cultivated.

    What's your goal?

    Aquaponics (pronounced: /ˈækwəˈpɒnɨks/) is a sustainable food production system that combines a traditional aquaculture (raising aquatic animals such as fish, crayfish or prawns in tanks) with hydroponics (cultivating plants in water) in a symbiotic environment. In the aquaculture, effluents accumulate in the water, increasing toxicity for the fish. This water is led to a hydroponic system where the by-products from the aquaculture are filtered out by the plants as vital nutrients, after which the cleansed water is recirculated back to the animals. The term aquaponics is a portmanteau of the terms aquaculture and hydroponic.

    Aquaponic systems vary in size from small indoor or outdoor units to large commercial units, using the same technology. The systems usually contain fresh water, but salt water systems are plausible depending on the type of aquatic animal and which plants.[citation needed] Aquaponic science may still be considered to be at an early stage.
    cheers
     
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  11. Murray

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    YOU HAVE BEEN DIRECTED HERE FROM A SPAM SITE pretending to be my site.
    The spam site is www.practicalaquaponics(dot)net

    The site even has a stolen photo of me in order to trick people believing it is my site.

    The site sells a junk DVD It will lead you to a site called Aquaponics4you or variations of that.

    The DVD has parts of and bits and pieces stolen from several Aquaponics web sites.

    Don't ever buy anything on line from any site that does not provide a phone number you can ring and actually get an answer and are identifiable in a number of ways.

    Signed Murray Hallam (himself)
     
  12. Murray

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    Thanks SolTun,
    Yes Aquaponics is an ECO system, that is the intrinsic beauty of it. Once we go outside of that, the reason why so many are attracted to Aquaponics is lost.
     

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